w. he said 30% tax cuts on corporate taxes and he has a series of other tax cuts he's promised that add up to $4.8 trillion. he cannot name one loophole that he would close. if you took away all the loopholes for upper-income americans, every single one of them, he would still be trillions of dollarss short. me has to sock it to the middle class or explode the deficit. > deficit. >> reporter: what you're saying it it is unrealistic-- >> i'm saying it's impossible, not unrealistic. >> when president obama said in 2008 i'm going to cut the deficit in half, i'm going to close guilt me, people-- gitmo, people said-- did not sigh he was not telling the truth. >> closing gitmo involved congress and he couldn't get them to do that. the math, people over $200,000, and you still have a trillions of dollars hole, and he hasn't named the deductions he would close. this is a shell game, john. whichever shell you pick up, the middle class loses. the economy will lose, and i think that this is going t